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This is a response to this write-up

Erin, I’m going to preface all this by letting you know that we all admire your passion and your dedication to combating social injustices. You really do put yourself out there and that is admirable. As an Asian male activist, I appreciate anyone that tries to criticize white racial hegemony. So I hope you understand when I try to counter or refine some of your arguments. I hope both of us can benefit from this back-and-forth exchange of arguments and ideas. So here it goes:

1. “I have noticed that within our own Asian diaspora Asian female porn stars are stigmatised, whilst Asian male porn stars are revered as heroes. I get it, you commonly see more Asian females than Asian males in this line of work and yes porn exists to arouse fetishes and fantasies of those who religiously watch it.”

I don’t think it needed to go any further than that.

2. “So for those dissenters, please know that I acknowledge all your concerns, and have from the start. But what I do want to say is how our Asian diaspora seems to celebrate Asian men in porn, but scorn Asian women in porn”

Please pick one.

3. “( I will cite an actual personal example a bit later on in this post on what I mean by this)”

I see you, I see you.

4. “Now I want to make it loud and clear that I am not opposed to those who want to be porn stars if they do it out of their own volition, and that they have control over their own bodies and can say yes or no to what they are or are not willing to do.”

Absolutely.

5. “there is a lack of diversity in this industry in terms of the more western/European porn scene.”

While I agree that people are absolutely free to do what they want, male or female, I personally believe that the few women of color being in porn fuels the entire group’s fetishization. From my limited view as a male on the matter, I’ll just say that women seem to not want to be fetishized based on race. (Actually, I’ve seen many women who do want to get fetishized, but there are also women of color who don’t.) So I believe that it’s a potential consequence that these women of color must weigh with the benefits before they enter this line of work. 

Obviously, it is their choice to make. So the question which you don’t really ask is, is it really that good for there to diversity in something like porn? Perhaps for African American women who get sexually discriminated a lot in the West, this could be something to consider. But do Asian women need to get subjugated more in such a popular form of media when they are already associated with (sexual) submissiveness?

6. “I was basically bullied online for writing about it and promoting her”

I’m sorry to hear that. And I’m not being sarcastic. I too have been harassed by anonymous people online, and so I understand. I do admit that I have harshly criticized you in the past, but it was about the arguments and your support of them, not you as a human being (since I don’t know you personally).

7. “These dissenters ( and I think most of you can guess where they all came from)”

I know what you mean, but let’s not point fingers at people trying to survive in a hostile world that is built to be against them.

8. “I also received a number of threats, mansplaining and trash talk.”

Threats are unacceptable. Trash talk is unfortunate but that’s just the nature of the anonymity of the internet. Mansplaining is also bad, unless the speaker used actual arguments and evidence but happened to be male. Because these same arguments can be used by women but yes, there is an inescapable, uncomfortable dynamic when someone of a higher position explains something to someone of a lower position (but in the West, women of all races have more social power than Asian men). For now, let’s focus on the content of the arguments.

9. “Other Asian diaspora based media outlets have also interviewed her ( before I did) and more recently, and they have attracted no major bullying/attacks.”

Like I said, it’s unfortunate what happened. However, perhaps these passionate responses came from people who were familiar with the entire history of your work. Maybe these people were emboldened to criticize you because of that history. I have criticized you in the past for these same reasons.

10. “Now the other interesting fact is that the other media outlets who interviewed her were done by Asian men. I think there are contradictions and sexism/misogyny that exists in our Asian community. Why is it that I as an Asian woman was attacked and bullied like no tomorrow, whilst the others who interviewed her/write about the industry get off scot free – is it because they are males?”

Just to get this out of the way… I believe that your comment about sexism in the Asian community is pointless. One, because Asian men are the least misogynistic and sexist in the West and in Asia itself. Two, because every culture has some level of sexism, some way less than others.

I think the reason for your bullying may have to do with your writing history. Maybe these people saw the Asian men as being open-minded (since Asian men are barred from porn or being masculine in general) enough to talk to someone who was more sexually and socially privileged than they were, while they saw you as someone pushing for the Asian female submissiveness agenda due to your writing history, and not just your sex. I remember criticizing you myself on this matter. Based on your past writings, I think that you, at the very least unwittingly and at worst subconsciously promoted Asian female submissiveness to white men in porn and IRL.

And can you please give us some examples of these Asian men who got off scott-free? If that is the case, then I think your theory could be accurate. But right now, we don’t have the sources of the evidence, so it’s hard to make an objective call. 

11. “The other thing I have noticed is that when the topic is about Asian men in porn, there are no attacks.”

You already said you understand why. Because the West’s only goal is to emasculate Asian men (for various reasons), Asian men being in porn is one of the most socially progressive provocations of the white male hegemony. That is why no sane Asian man would attack this. It makes us question the erasure of Asian men in porn (a ploy for lonely Asian men’s money or genuine, much-needed curiosity?) To clarify, “erasure” applies to porn. In non-pornographic media, we are actually the most over-represented demographic, but all the roles are negative or misrepresentative. 

12. “I wanted to use this week’s piece to highlight the double standards and the contradictions which exist.”

See point 10.

I think the bigger double standard here though is the ratings of XMAF videos vs. AMXF videos on porn sites. No seriously. Check it out yourself. It’s clear that these viewers are extremely racist. BUT everyone is free to do what they choose. I’m just saying that there could be negative consequences as I mentioned in point 5. Especially when in porn, fetishes for Asian women are often linked with pedophilia and torture.

Also understand that I’m not saying all POC women in porn will lead to POC female fetishization. But if Asian women play up the Asian female submission angle, then it’s a definite possibility. 

13. “But maybe they won’t because to them, us Asian women belong in the kitchen under the guise of Asian men.”

I recommend that you never use this argument again for anything with anyone. Because you will lose every single goddamn time. Read the material here (again) to understand why Asian culture and Asian men (in the West and in Asia) are the least patriarchal.

To me, this just seems like a bullshit provocation. 

These are my arguments. You can choose how seriously you will take them. I mean no harm, and I hope that we may understand each other better in the future through continued discussion. Please at least consider examining these arguments in a meaningful way. 

1 Comments

  1. agree with point # 13